[00:00:00] Adrienne Donnelly: Welcome to Seed to Success, the podcast where we deep dive into the strategies, stories, and smart decisions that help VAs and OBMs grow and thrive. I'm your host Adrienne Donnelly, and whether you're just starting out or looking for ways to take your business to the next level, you are in the right place.
[00:00:20] Adrienne Donnelly: Thanks for tuning in. Now, let's get into today's conversation. Welcome Claire, to the podcast. It is absolutely incredible to have you on our, show today.
[00:00:34] Claire Miles: Hello. It was great to be here. I was really excited when you, offered me the opportunity to jump on with you.
[00:00:40] Adrienne Donnelly: Oh, when we ran into each other recently at the Women in Business Conference and we were talking about getting the podcast back up and running now that I've moved house, I was like, oh, I would love to get you on the show. Cause I think you've got a lot of value, to add. So if people aren't familiar with you or your business, could you tell us a bit about what you do?
[00:01:00] Claire Miles: So I'm Claire and I'm a personal branding photographer and designer strategist. I run Oak Street Creative Co. so my thing is really helping women feel confident, in front of the camera and online with their brand. So helping women to show up and shine exactly how they want to, in a way that's nice and easy and, and fun.
[00:01:28] Adrienne Donnelly: Mm. And you do incredible work. I have worked with you and I have many clients who have worked with you as well, and I have the pleasure of, adding photos to their website and looking at their social media and, and having beautiful galleries of images to choose from. You must have shot hundreds, if not thousands of women.
[00:01:48] Adrienne Donnelly: Do you see, in terms of that photography side, do you see common themes or ways in which women are showing up when they're coming to you for branding photography?
[00:02:00] Claire Miles: Yeah, I think so, I mean, nobody in my experience there would probably be 1% of women that enjoy having their photos done. And I think the only reason why is because people don't like having their photos taken. Cause they either don't like themselves or they've had photos done before and it just wasn't right.
[00:02:22] Claire Miles: but I'm always making sure that, before the shoot we will, connect properly and we will chat about what they need photos for and what they're gonna wear and what their brand looks like and how they want it to look. So the whole process of working out what's gonna happen on the day, happens before that.
[00:02:42] Claire Miles: So when they come into the studio for the shoot, it's a lot more fun and a lot of people just say, and I say it as well, it's just like coming to hang out for a coffee and have a bit of fun with a friend. it's not scary. And it's funny, a lot of people, I will see a chat to me fine, and then I'll get the camera out and then they'll go and I'll be like, it's okay breathe. So, yeah, I think a, a whole experience is, is just about, you know, me doing my thing, but making it feel like they're not having their photo taken.
[00:03:22] Adrienne Donnelly: Mm. You mentioned there, Claire, the photos, people maybe feel a certain way coming into those shoots because photos they've had in the past haven't been right. In your mind, what makes photos right, if we are talking in the context of business owners who may be getting photos taken?
[00:03:40] Claire Miles: So definitely it's just all about making sure, for me, making sure that the photos look like the person.
[00:03:50] Adrienne Donnelly: Mm-hmm.
[00:03:50] Claire Miles: and they're comfortable when they're having their photos taken. So the, the, end result doesn't look off or posed or, you know, everything looks nice and natural and they look happy and, and they're doing the things that, that they want to do.
[00:04:07] Claire Miles: So, yeah, it's a lot about that. It's just, I think Me working out how that they want to show up to start with and what sort of person they are. Like are they outgoing? Are they reserved? are they like me with lots of pink and red and you know, all the colors or are they more neutral and is that more like their personality?
[00:04:29] Adrienne Donnelly: Mm. And, and just making sure, I love what you said there around making sure what the photos look like. Also reflect the in-person experience you will have with that individual. Cause I'm sure we've all seen photos of someone, whether it's their hair colors changed or I get it a lot if my hair's curly naturally or versus straight where people are like, oh, I didn't realize that was you.
[00:04:52] Adrienne Donnelly: Because you know they're looking at your LinkedIn profile, they're looking at your social media, especially if you're going into say a coffee catch up with a potential business owner or a potential client or something like that. So having that, making sure that they're still natural, but professional I guess.
[00:05:08] Claire Miles: Yes. And it's making sure, I suppose it's making sure as well that, everything's consistent across all of your, your website and your social media all of those channels and everything is consistent. so that, people aren't going, oh wait, are you, are you that person or are you that person?
[00:05:28] Claire Miles: Or What are you selling me? You know, what are you telling me about yourself? that's really important is to, to to be consistent.
[00:05:36] Adrienne Donnelly: Because I think that also helps to build trust, and especially in the world of virtual assistants and online business managers, often we have an extremely high level of trust with our clients because we are looking after their businesses for them. so we've got access to a lot of information.
[00:05:52] Adrienne Donnelly: We know a lot about their businesses and them as individuals, so all of those different touch points then add to that level of trust, I think.
[00:06:02] Claire Miles: Yes, absolutely. And it's the trust thing that's, that's changed, back in the day before branding photography and online and all of that, you know, a website would be predominantly wording. And you would have a really small, headshot of, literally just your face maybe not even that.
[00:06:22] Claire Miles: and people would just read more about the information About whatever you do and hire you that way. But now really it's all about if you're not showing up, then you're not trustworthy. and how can I, you know, do I want to engage you if you can't show up and show me what you look like, there's a lot of that trust, these days.
[00:06:44] Claire Miles: but look, I just, just jumped off a little, masterclass about AI photography and,I'm still sort of like, I'm definitely in two minds about having an AI branding photo shoot. but I think as well, if I don't keep up with that, it's just a matter of how am I gonna be able to sort of around that.
[00:07:08] Claire Miles: But it's yeah, that that's, just sort of started showing up and it's been really bad. So I've been hiding behind like, ai, don't do it. You'll have three arms and 25 fingers and everyone will know, which has been the case. So I'm being like, you know, it's fine you still need to have a photo shoot.
[00:07:27] Claire Miles: But I think the technology has come so far that people are starting to use that. But, in saying that as well we can also tell if that's not a natural photo, if that is an AI version of you, and will that stop people trusting you? Will they, will that turn them off, or will that be something that becomes unrecognizable to people?
[00:07:53] Claire Miles: Or will it become so oversaturated that everyone starts having AI photo shoots and then it goes back to Really natural, photography. So it's an interesting time in my world.
[00:08:08] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah, it must be. And I wanted to ask you about the evolution of the business. So did you start out just with the photography and then started expanding into those other services and, and can you talk to those other services a little bit?
[00:08:23] Claire Miles: Yeah, so I did. I started out doing just the branding photography which was great, and I'd be like, here you go. Here's all your photos have fun with that. And not really sort of being, not thinking about it in the sense like, because I knew what to do with them. I had just assumed that everyone else did.
[00:08:43] Claire Miles: But then I started going, well, why aren't you using your photos? Why have you only you've got 40 beautiful retouched photos. Why have you just used one? And so I've started to think about how could I show up and, and help so I started the Visual Strategy Lab is a subscription, which helps, and just, it's just me doing social media strategy and using all of those branding photos for my clients, for their social media posts, and providing captions and hashtags and hooks and all of that type of thing. just to take the overwhelm out of it as well.
[00:09:26] Claire Miles: So, yeah, I just started thinking, well, what else can I do to help, with the photos and help people use them? but I'm a graphic designer as well. Like I did study, graphic design, so, I also branched out and said, why aren't you using your photos? And other would be like, I'm just waiting for my logo designer, or I'm waiting for my website designer and they had three or four people on the go.
[00:09:49] Claire Miles: And I'm like, wait, I can do all of that for you. why don't I just bring that all at under the one umbrella and it all sort of married up really nicely if I was designing a logo and, all of the branding and the assets, and then I would design the shoot based on that, and then we would design the website based on everything else and the social media, it just became, just, I, I was just trying to make it easy, I think,
[00:10:16] Adrienne Donnelly: I'm sure there's lots of people listening that go, yeah, I've had a branding shoot done and I've got a Dropbox folder full of photos and I haven't got around to updating my website or there's still, the odd photo on a profile, somewhere on a social media account that's got old images.
[00:10:33] Adrienne Donnelly: So it's so smart and, and a real natural progression and a natural collection of all your, skills is to, create those beautiful spaces for people to come and have those photo shoots done, but also then ensuring, that they use them and that your work is used. And I can only imagine, obviously, the more they, and I've seen this happen because I've had people reach out to my clients to say, can you tell me who took all those photos and it was you? And I said, yep. Because they see their photos in use on their social media and then go, I'd love to book with her.
[00:11:04] Adrienne Donnelly: Your photos look great. I'd love her to do mine. So I can only imagine the more people are using the photos that you've taken out there, then that's potentially good for your business too, in terms of more exposure for your work.
[00:11:17] Claire Miles: Yes. absolutely. If they're out there, people can see. But I think for me it's more, the people that I work with aren't necessarily creative and, especially like in, online businesses that are starting, they're professionals in one area and they're not yeah, they're not social media managers and they're not creative and they're not, they don't wanna use Canva and they hate it. And they're, you know, it's, they need to spend the time on their business, making them money. and so it was more about how can I help them do that
[00:11:53] Adrienne Donnelly: Mm. Yeah. And get their work out there.
[00:11:55] Claire Miles:
[00:11:55] Adrienne Donnelly: And I think it's hard sometimes too, because I don't know if about you if, if you follow a lot of other photographers, but sometimes if your feed is full of people within your industry, then when you are making social media, I sometimes feel. What do I actually have to say? What am I, what am I adding to this conversation that's different from other people? So I think even outsourcing that bit and having a third party doing that
[00:12:19] Claire Miles: Yes. it's very hard to, yeah, just sort of show up like We don't like just going, oh, I'm the best, everyone. Hi, I am the best. Uh, it's like, oh God, that's so cringey. but I've got a great, questionnaire that I give to my clients before we work together.
[00:12:38] Claire Miles: And it doesn't matter what we're doing, whether it's just branding or photography or whatever, but it's really in the depth, we'll go into lots of different ways, which also get them thinking about their business and how they can show up. And then we design everything around that, especially with the social media to stand out, we design the posts and the hooks and all of that to stand out from the crowd to make it look like we are not just the same as everybody else
[00:13:09] Adrienne Donnelly: Mm. You mentioned, before about the preparation for those photo shoots. If someone was to come and book in with you, what are some of those ways that, like you said, most people, as soon as the camera comes out, it's like awkward self-conscious. It starts, we start going, I hate this part of my body. I hate my body from this angle, those sorts of things.
[00:13:32] Adrienne Donnelly: How do you coach your photography clients through that self-consciousness or that awkwardness in the front of the camera?
[00:13:41] Claire Miles: I think, it honestly like i've just said it, you know, we don't, we don't like big noting ourselves, but I think my personality, I really don't. I don't mind having a bit of fun and making a bit of a fool out of myself and just hamming it up, I suppose and I think that makes people feel more comfortable.
[00:14:03] Claire Miles: if I'm just mucking around, behind the camera and we just chat and have fun and, I've got the tools to be able to make them relax. And a lot of the time I won't really have the camera up in my face like this. I'll have it in a way that doesn't look like I'm actually taking the photos.
[00:14:20] Claire Miles: And we'll chat and I'll have the music on so they'll have a coffee or some of them, will have a champagne and it turns into more of an experience, that's a lot of fun rather than, a scary, daunting thing that we don't like.
[00:14:38] Adrienne Donnelly: There are so many incredible photographers out there, uh, doing work that's really similar. How have you attracted your clients or where are your clients coming from in term? And, and second part of that is do you get a lot of repeat work with the photography side of things?
[00:14:56] Claire Miles: Yes, yes. I get a lot of repeat clients. so word of mouth is probably the most like the best way that I get clients, I think people do have fun and, and they enjoy the experience and they get a great product. so they talk about it. but yeah, that's, that's probably mainly that.
[00:15:16] Claire Miles: And then those people will come, I've had clients that have had up to six shoots with me. especially online course creators who need to keep going and going and going. I have seen a little bit of a decline in that lately because I think ai, is, is taking over.
[00:15:32] Claire Miles: So yeah, creating an experience, where people feel looked after and confident, I think, really helps with that as well.
[00:15:41] Adrienne Donnelly: yeah. and people bringing those people back
[00:15:43] Claire Miles: I'm proud. I'm proud to have that, because I know I helped, I helped clients to feel comfortable and and relaxed.
[00:15:53] Adrienne Donnelly: mm And then that creates that repeat customer or that word of mouth channel for your business because they're saying to their friends, look, I was not looking forward to this, but I had a great experience with Claire. And then bonus, you offer all these other services to them. Yeah.
[00:16:09] Adrienne Donnelly: And you are also quite well aligned with couple of, well-known leaders in that online course space. So then you have other business owners that are bringing you along to conferences like where you and I got to hang out recently together, a few conferences actually, we saw each other, I think two weeks in a row or two fortnight in a row at two different events where business owners are bringing you along to their retreats or their conferences or their kind of community get togethers to not only capture the event, but offer head shots and, and branding shots during those sorts of events.
[00:16:43] Claire Miles: Yeah, that's been really fun actually. So I, I sort of, did a lot of event photography.
[00:16:49] Adrienne Donnelly: Mm-hmm.
[00:16:50] Claire Miles: Which is great, for quite a lot of different types of events as well. Big and small, intimate and, not so intimate. and then started offering that. And then as social media and trends started to happen, then I started doing more, videos for reels.
[00:17:08] Claire Miles: So snippets things, to create the content, which is the more, if, if, if an event's gonna be more interactive, it's great to capture the video of that as well. but then, I was like, well, how else can I integrate into different situations, and offer people a service.
[00:17:29] Claire Miles: So, yeah, when I did the head shots, that was fun.that's a good way to, if you don't really wanna, if you only need one photo or you don't wanna spend a lot of money, that's a nice way to, to get something.
[00:17:40] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah, and you're right. You know, especially for those of us in the online space, you could have a beautiful photo shoot and get, 40 or 50 great photos, but it might only take a few months. And all of those photos have been used on two or three social media tiles or people that are in the speaking space that need various different headshot options.
[00:18:00] Adrienne Donnelly: It is one of those things where if there's an extra headshot on offer, we are gonna grab it because it can't hurt to have another option. Different seasons different hairstyles. Different backdrops, all of those sorts of things. Yeah,
[00:18:13] Claire Miles: Yeah. We're always changing. I mean, we always have short hair, long hair, curly hair, grey hair, whatever. We feel like what? What's in fashion?
[00:18:21] Adrienne Donnelly: a few more grays.
[00:18:22] Claire Miles: Yeah. Oh, not me.
[00:18:27] Adrienne Donnelly: No.
[00:18:28] Claire Miles: But I think, yeah, I think it's important. I think, as I said before, it's important to, to keep up to date with your photos so that people don't, meet you in person and go, oh, you know, that's,
[00:18:41] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah.
[00:18:42] Claire Miles: 20, you know?
[00:18:43] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah. Light on, light on the on the retouch. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:18:48] Adrienne Donnelly: That's so true. As I mentioned, I have had the experience of working with you, being at events where you're capturing that video content, but also had headshot with you at a recent event, and you mentioned it before. You give so much of yourself, you bring an incredible energy to those events.
[00:19:07] Adrienne Donnelly: How do you manage your own energy levels when then you're coming from those like quite stimulated environments where you are absolutely on, you're trying to get the best out of 20, 30, 40 women that are lining up to get a headshot. And then I'm assuming other days that are very quiet, very solo in front of the computer editing.
[00:19:30] Adrienne Donnelly: How do you manage your energy with that real creative outward Claire side and then the sort of more admin and editing and behind the scenes side of things.
[00:19:42] Claire Miles: I think, I mean, I get, definitely get swept up in the, the magic of, those big events and, and things like that. I really enjoy it and, I love networking and chatting and getting out and about, but then, yeah, then after that I'm like okay done.
[00:20:00] Claire Miles: Like, you know, if I've got a long drive home, I will, turn off the radio. I'll just drive home in silence and kind of just cause it, yeah, it takes a lot out of you, but it doesn't affect me too much because I do have that downtime of, the, the computer work and the sitting and just the monotony of the editing and admin and all of that.
[00:20:23] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah.
[00:20:24] Claire Miles: it balances out really well. But I do enjoy that, outward networking and chatting in real life.
[00:20:31] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah, and you are incredible at it. You absolutely come to life in those environments and I think, you mentioned with the photo shoots before, if people are in the studio and you are happy to be a bit silly and, and have a laugh and, and make a, not make a fool of yourself, but put yourself out there, then it creates a safe space for other people to feel as though they can. And I've absolutely seen that firsthand. You do have an incredible knack for bringing that side out of people. Even the shyest people, not just women, men, everyone. yeah, it's a, it's a real knack
[00:21:08] Claire Miles: bit fun.
[00:21:08] Adrienne Donnelly: you have. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:21:10] Claire Miles: I think it's, that's just, yeah, it's just, I'm a bit of a clown, so, and I don't really. I think I, I think my thing is that I don't think before I do, so if I am doing something and I get a bit, over the top or whatever, it's happened and I move on,
[00:21:26] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah.
[00:21:27] Claire Miles: Yeah. It's my, personality definitely isn't just stuck in the studio. It will come out wherever I am so.
[00:21:36] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah. And what about your own, I mean, I follow you on social media. You have incredible photography of yourself. How do you manage that? Do you have like a go-to photographer? Do you, do it yourself? Are you using a different team of photographers or collaborators for your own content?
[00:21:55] Claire Miles: No, no, it's funny cause I, I had a shoot in my studio when it first opened and yeah, that was sort of a collaboration. We worked together. I did her photos, she did mine. and then I was up in, Noosa earlier this year, and I had booked a studio, where I was shooting, my clients and I had a bit of a gap in the middle and I was like, oh, I know, I'll just hire a photographer and, get some photos done.
[00:22:22] Claire Miles: Had the makeup artist there and everything. So yeah, there isn't someone that I work with closely. but I change a lot too, so I think. It's easy for me to go, this is what I need, this is what I want, this is what I want you to do for me. And I still get awkey in front of the camera.
[00:22:40] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah. It depends on your mood a bit too. You know, some day, even same as like we were saying about networking, some days you can turn up to be like, yeah, I'm ready to mingle. I'm ready to chat. And some days you're just like, I don't, I don't have a lot to give today. Like social battery is low. Like we talked about this at the event we're at.
[00:22:57] Adrienne Donnelly: It's like sometimes you're like, oh, I'm just struggling to string a sentence together. I'm assuming photography's a bit the same.
[00:23:04] Claire Miles: Yeah. And I mean, it's great what you said at that event as well, to get people talking, and not be awkward when you first meet people. if you don't wanna talk, you can always ask a question and get other people to talk
[00:23:18] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah.
[00:23:18] Claire Miles: It still looks like you are engaging.
[00:23:21] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah. But I think that's okay. You know, we don't always have all of that in the tank. when people are coming to photo shoots, and I know I, I've struggled with this myself around knowing because of where you're service providers, we don't have a physical product to showcase, we can't bring boxes of product samples to photograph.
[00:23:39] Adrienne Donnelly: Do you have any sort of go-to places or resources that you recommend, for service providers, especially those in the on world space, in terms of the different photos they could potentially capture in photo shoots when there isn't a product to sell. It is themselves and their hours and their time and their expertise.
[00:23:59] Claire Miles: I think it's just keeping true to yourself. So it's, it's like, what's my message? what do I want to, to convey to people with these photos? what do I do during the day at work, am I on the computer? Am I on a laptop? Am I on the phone? Am I sitting at a desk? Do I have a standup desk?
[00:24:20] Adrienne Donnelly: Mmm.
[00:24:21] Claire Miles: Do I have a couch? Do I read on the couch in my spare time? Like all of those sort of things. I mean, I've got my, bank of photos that, you don't have the products, but really it's also a lot of the time. In social media, we need photos where we might be pointing at something
[00:24:39] Claire Miles: but yeah, so I've got a bank of of images that work pretty well for everybody. but they always all look different because everyone looks different and, and everyone's sort of style and brand colors and everything are different. But yeah, I think also just doing fun things to, to stand out, Pointing and laughing and, and maybe holding up a phone or holding up a laptop and using that to put messages on. so that you're using photos. It's not just you sort of sitting, looking at the camera, smiling and going,
[00:25:16] Adrienne Donnelly: that's so true. So true.
[00:25:17] Claire Miles: A lot of that, and I mean, I think a lot of the time you can, use the photos differently. If they're far away, you can crop them so they're close up. Sometimes I put my photos upside down on my social posts just to sort of try and, get people to stop scrolling.
[00:25:36] Adrienne Donnelly: Yeah.
[00:25:36] Claire Miles: it's about that how can you stand out, but still stay true to yourself. And yeah, it's getting harder and harder to do all of that, honestly. because the market's so saturated now with with online and sometimes I think people just, just scroll without actually really even seeing anything. I know engagement's down, people aren't even hitting the like button or or. Dm the word, and all of that stuff. There's lots of, ways that we have to start thinking about how else can we capture attention.
[00:26:13] Adrienne Donnelly: I agree. You mentioned the whole AI photography thing and we are seeing a lot more of AI image creation and digital twins and all of those sorts of things you mentioned, that that's, something that you're just starting to look at. What else is coming up for for Oak Street images that you're excited about or other things that you've got happening in the works as we get to the end of a another calendar year?
[00:26:38] Claire Miles: Well, I think, yeah, it's starting to wrap up Now, I mean, people are still having shoots and thinking about, what they want to use the photos for. I'm gonna spend some time over Christmas, new Years looking at this sort of AI technology. And I think from what I've seen, it's really great.
[00:26:58] Claire Miles: but I also feel, is it gonna be authentic enough? Like are we just churning stuff out now for the sake of it? but I also have been doing, for the last 13 years, I do a Santa in the Bush photos. So I, am doing that all through, November.
[00:27:22] Adrienne Donnelly: Mm-hmm.
[00:27:23] Claire Miles: And, that started because I couldn't find a great photographer for my son when he was little. it's a good Santa, they're all very scary and in the shopping center and you'd have to line up for hours. And i'm like, God, this is terrible. and I lived in the bush down in Sydney. So, I found a guy, he's amazing, Santa, and I mean, the kid's been coming for years and his years and so yeah, that's happening again in November and it's a production, like, I'll, I'll have 40 families come through a day.
[00:27:54] Adrienne Donnelly: Wow.
[00:27:56] Claire Miles: Yeah. Yeah. And it's three weekends, so it's Saturday and Sunday. It's, it's goad. I know. I'm like.
[00:28:03] Adrienne Donnelly: Goodness. Yeah, like goad your loins.
[00:28:08] Claire Miles: Yeah.
[00:28:09] Adrienne Donnelly: wow. That sounds amazing but, and a great service to offer for people that are wanting something a bit different for their Santa family photo
[00:28:17] Claire Miles: People love it. They love it and people are messaging me in June, can we book in yet?
[00:28:22] Adrienne Donnelly: Wow.
[00:28:23] Claire Miles: Cause they can bring their pets. and they can bring, the kids. And if kids have an issue with Santa, I'll always make sure that, everyone's comfy there and I get to muck around and, and be silly with the kids and yeah, it's good fun. That's it.
[00:28:38] Adrienne Donnelly: a fun but inclusive environment for the local families.
[00:28:43] Claire Miles: Yes.
[00:28:44] Adrienne Donnelly: Amazing. If people are wanting to find out, Claire, more about your work, but also especially the Santa in the bush, where is the best place for them to connect with you and follow along with the work that you're doing?
[00:28:56] Claire Miles: Well, I am always on social media, so I think that's the best way to find me. It's, Oak Street Creative Co. Is my handle on Instagram. I'm just launching a new website so at the moment it's Oak Street creative co.com but there will be a new one, which will be com.au
[00:29:16] Adrienne Donnelly: Great.
[00:29:17] Claire Miles: but yeah, just send me a message or an email or give me a call. I'll have a chat on the phone. that's about it. I'm, I'm always around to, help, with any questions or, if people aren't sure, don't have to work with me. If you, if you talk to me, I can always help you out.
[00:29:35] Adrienne Donnelly: Perfect. Thank you. And we'll make sure we pop all those links in the show notes. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It's been, yeah, great to learn more about you and to get some of those tips to break down any I guess barriers or awkwardness people feel coming into those shoots. I know you've got, some great resources on your website too about preparing and, and just feeling a bit more confident going into those shoots. So very much appreciate your time to come onto our podcast.
[00:30:04] Claire Miles: I challenge everyone listening to come and have a shoot with me and then say they don't like having their photo taken.
[00:30:12] Adrienne Donnelly: Now I'll have to do that. I'm well overdue for photos, so challenge accepted. Thank you so much, Claire.
[00:30:18] Claire Miles: Thank you. Bye.
[00:30:21] Adrienne Donnelly: Thank you for listening to another episode of Seed to Success. Make sure you are subscribing so you never miss an episode. If you know a VA or OBM who might benefit from this conversation, be sure to share it with them. Let's chat again soon.
